Internet gnomes have published an epic chat we had over at the podcast Tangentially Speaking here - https://chrisryanphd.com/460-niles-heckman-documentarian-photographer-essayist/
The host Chris Ryan is great. He does the author + podcaster thing and even though it seems like everyone is a “New York Times Bestselling Author” these days, he really is one for his book Sex at Dawn.
We have a mutual friend Judy Campbell who’s company is at Campbell Consulting (https://campbellconsulting.com/) who has been helping Rak Razam and I with outreach for the show because she’s an amazing gal and also a burner (someone who goes to Burning Man) chick who’s secretly on the wavelength. She originally contacted Chris about potentially having us talk with him when we finished the second episode of the show in early March of 2020 right as Covid was hitting the shit fan.
The irony is Chris never got back to us then but did about a year later to another mutual friend of ours, Jarad Blowatt. Chris admits in the intro he was a bit on the fence because of misconceptions about the series, but I know that he ended up being really stoked to have the conversation because he kept wanting to talk, which is always a good sign.